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John Rodgerson was challenged by Matt Wagner to justify his position that the government has the responsibility to keep the public safe from foreign and domestic threats at the cost of loss of freedom.  John did some research and turned his response into today's program, at the request of John Berg, by pointing out that throughout our country's history the government has taken measures that are counter to personal freedom.  One example he gave, was Abraham Lincoln suspending the right of habeas corpus during the Civil War.  The struggle we face today over the size of government is hampered by our own personal bias that keeps us from recognizing validity to ideas we don't agree with.  John points out that our country has gone through ups and downs in the past and he is hopeful that we are going to experience an upswing soon.